Paul M Foster wrote:
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> On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:06:35PM -0400, Norbert Cartagena wrote:
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> <snip>
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> > (P.S. Paul, as for a vast right-wing conspirracy, what do you call the
> > WTO?)
>
> I don't actually know that much about the WTO. I presume their purpose
> is to promote trade across traditional trade barriers.
Yes, that is their stated purpose, but you fail to see AT WHAT COST this
is accoplished. These, my friend, are the people who have FORCED us to
cahnge many of our environmental laws as well as our worker laws in
order to create a more "competitive" environment for multi-national
corporations. They force countries to change even their constitutions,
threatening forced economic retaliation if they don't, in order to
plaease their multi-national corporate masters. A body of nopn-electred
officials imposing their will on sovereign nations under the threat of
economnic sanctions forced unto their other members (a good example is
how ther WTO forced us to put sacntions on India because it was in their
constitution to not allow companies to pattent life - ie. pattented
bio-engineered organisms which, iunder Indian law, had no validity
because, to them no form of life can be pettented. In order to lift
sanctions they had to allow Monsanto, the multinational chemical
company, to have a pattent on life, which they consider holy and
unppattentable). Yeah, the WTO promotes trade, but who comes out
winning? The multinationsal that own it, not the citizens of the country
they're supposed to help. Remeber those nice dolphin laws we used to
have to protect dolphins from getting caught in tuna-nets? Well, im
order to allow other countired to "fairly" sell tuna in the US, we HAD
to lift those laws!!! Laws we voted on and passed as a sovereignty!!!!
Granted, many Tuna companies are still Dolphin safe (so they claim), but
many others are not! The point is that out sovereignty as a nation was
violated! And this is the result of Capitalism run amok (yeah,
capitalism is good, but letting it run free is NOT a good idea). Yeah,
the market will sort itself out -- into 8 or so mega corporations that
will implant chips on your butt to know what you do with who and when.
And, for the record, all WTO meetins are completely closed door meetings
- no reporters intide, not even any publicly available records. You
wanna se the mythical "Illuminati"? Look at the WTO.
> I fail to see
> the harm in this. In fact, I can see a great deal of good coming from
> it. And how is it right-wing?
Right wing - no interference from the government in economic matters.
This is what happens. Why pay attention to government when youi could
opress people directly?
>
> Now, NATO is a vast left-wing conspiracy. Witness their currently
> scheduled conference on the elimination of small arms all over the
> world. They are holding closed door meetings to strategize how to
> eliminate personal ownership of firearms worldwide, including the United
> States. In complete contravention of our Constitution. This is just one
> of a number of ultra-liberal things they're involved in.
DO you mean the UN or Nato here? NATO only has presidence over its
member nations - hardly nations all over the world. As for the UN, yeah,
and they're also talking about a one world government. I, like you,
disagree with the elimination of personal ownership of firearms - yes, I
support the existence of the NRA, even though I disagree with some of
their points, such as the gun-show loop holes. However, the good they do
far outweighs the evil they do. If we fight the evil and accept the good
- is that not our duty as citizens? Remember, Government belongs to the
people and in the end, only the will of the people trully rules - or at
least that's the way it's supposed to be. Politicians all over ("right"
and "left" wing alike) seem to think that you're more equal than others
if your pocket book is big enough (as Cheney displayed in the little
Clinton-Like fund raising party for his energy sector friends and
lobyists he did this weekend). This is why term-limits are such a good
idea, too bad that no-one's been able to fill that promise ("I will
support term limits for my 7th term in a row!!" "Me too!" "Me too!").
Unless, of course, you have as many connections as the Bush Dynasty.
Then, who cares about term limits!!! You have money and power!
>
> It escapes me why so many conservatives support the UN.
>
Because it's the only thing that has stopped the onset of World War 3,
and you know it. The League of Nations was the perfect example of this.
Culd they have stopped WW2? No, they didn't have the teeth. But they
could have certainly had a greater effect had 1) the US supported it and
2) had it had any teeth, any troops.
P.S.
I picked on the easiest first because it will take a day or so to fully
respond to the others. ;) I'll try to keep the books short.
Norb
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