On Sunday 17 February 2002 02:28 pm, you wrote:
Josh:
Thanks for the tips. I will check it ou. I did find a module for linuxconf
for a small front end to amanda that can be activated in linuxconf. I will
also try loading Webmin as this seems to be a more user friendly
administrator interface. A copy of the RedHat bible sounds like a good idea.
There is so much more to the 7.2 version that I will probably spend many
late hours learning it. I have Linux; The Complete Reference, however it
does not even touch on the subject of backing up a linux system. This seems
so basic in Windows but do not see much emphasis in linux or the RedHat
online cd docs.
Andy
> Andy:
>
> According to SourceFourge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/amanda-gui/)
> there is. I haven't ever used it though. It does appear to be in testing
> status - so I'm not so sure if you'd want to download it and use it.
>
> You could always trot down to Barnes n' Noble Booksellers and snag a copy
> of the "RedHat Linux 7.2 Bible" (assuming you're using RedHat) and flip
> through pages 501 to 508 - all about the quick and dirty on backing up
> network computers. It's a great little book I like to keep handy at my desk
> at work because I use Linux for everything there. Comes in handy if you
> wanna know where a config file or grab a definition of something...
>
> -Josh tiner
> e-mail: josh.tiner@worldwidephp.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Woeber" <scoville300@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <slug@nks.net>
> Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: backup of linux files
>
> > On Sunday 17 February 2002 10:29 am, you wrote:
> > Wow, thanks for a good introduction. I currently do not use the network
> > capabilities of linux as yet and have only a local machine. I like the
>
> idea
>
> > of doing incremental backups and would like to use the cron scheduler to
> > perform them. I need a safe way to test a backup because I used the
>
> "dump"
>
> > program and it detroyed the RedHat filesystem. I probably only need to
>
> make
>
> > a monthly backup of system files and possibly a daily or weekly backup of
>
> the
>
> > home directory. Is there a GUI interface for Amanda backup?
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > > There are different approaches on this.
> > >
> > > You can backup everything so that you can recreate your computer
>
> basically
>
> > > from scratch. It takes longer and requires more tape space. Or you only
> > > backup files that change. I.e config and data files.
> > >
> > > Backup is done to recover from two things. Either data entry or
>
> basically
>
> > > hard disk failure. If you need to recover some data like an invoice
> > > that was deleted you find it on the backup and voila! If you disk crash
> > > then
>
> you
>
> > > have to recreate it.
> > >
> > > The problem you run into is different versions of software. Lets say
> > > you buy RH 7.2 and install it today. Two months from now you have made
> > > an upgrade to your binaries. So you have the original versions of the
> > > CD
>
> and
>
> > > the newer one on the backup. (You may be forced to do upgrades of
>
> binaries
>
> > > due to security issues.)
> > >
> > > Then you have two ways of backing up. Only incremental backup, i.e.
>
> changed
>
> > > files, or all. This could be a huge factor if you have a LOT of data
> > > but only few files change and you don't have the time to be down while
> > > it
>
> backs
>
> > > up all you data. I tend to backup all data and config files.
> > >
> > > There's a factor when you backup live data. (I.e. in use.) You could
>
> backup
>
> > > incomplete transactions. I.e. partial save of the new/modified data.
>
> Maybe
>
> > > you rather have that than nothing. (This could happen when your data is
> > > spread across several files, as is often the case with SQL.)
> > >
> > > Which brings us to the rotation of backup media.
> > >
> > > Do you need to keep a going record for example for the last year? Is it
> > > worth the media and time/space to keep a backup every week or month so
>
> that
>
> > > you can go back to a previous date?
> > >
> > > At a minimum you have two tapes you cycle through. Two because if the
> > > backup fails before it's done, you have no backup.
> > >
> > > I tend to keep a week regardless. And I seldom backup binaries unless I
>
> do
>
> > > something too custom to easily recreate. Walk through dummy backup
>
> restore
>
> > > and see what you run into. (Preferably on a different but similar
>
> system.)
>
> > > Look at what it takes for you to create a new system to restore to. One
> > > rebuilds a computer in about 30 min. Add another 15 to get the latest
> > > binaries. Then restore f.ex. your data and you are back in business.
> > >
> > > Of course now we have another option too, CD's. You can burn to CD/W or
> > > CD/RW. There are different conditions that may exist for you that adds
>
> yet
>
> > > another twist to the story. But the above should give you enough to get
>
> you
>
> > > through. As usual I'm happy to give my views and considerations.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > On Sunday 17 February 2002 07:31, you wrote:
> > > > Josh and Steve, I appreciate the suggestions. I will look into the
> > > > Amanda interface. I basically want to back up the RH 7.2 root and
>
> home
>
> > > > partitions (approx 4 GB) on a separate area of the hard drive (I have
> > > > only one 40GB drive) most of which is devoted to Linux but shares
>
> space
>
> > > > with Win98se. What file directories or partitions should I back up?
>
> i.e.
>
> > > > /usr, /home, everything?
> > > >
> > > > Andy W.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "steve" <steve@itcom.net>
> > > > To: <slug@nks.net>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 8:18 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [SLUG] Re: backup of linux files
> > > >
> > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > > >
> > > > > I use tar with gz option to backup some 10G just fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Saturday 16 February 2002 18:58, you wrote:
> > > > > > Anyone familiar with the use of "dump" and "restore" to backup
>
> files.
>
> > > > > > I tried the man page for these and tried "dump" on my home
>
> partition
>
> > > > > > directory and ended up corrupting the filesystem. Are there
> > > >
> > > > alternatives
> > > >
> > > > > > to the dump and restore program.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks, Andy W.
> > > > >
> > > > > - --
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________________
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