On Monday 25 February 2002 18:07, you wrote:
>
> But then, you can argue quite rightly that Sun's Java nonsense earns the
> company the right to extra pokes in the corporat eye.
Question: Who owns Java?
Answer: Sun
Question: Who has the right to decide what goes into Java?
Answer: Sun
Question: Who has the right to decide what does not go into Java?
Answer: Sun
Are there any further questions?
Sounds to me like the "Java nonsense" is coming from Apache, not Sun. Apache
can make its offer of code conditional on acceptance of attached licensing
terms but it is flat out ethically wrong to try to publicly cram them down
Sun's throat.
In his posting of today, Derek Glidden said:
<nit pick>
Sun and the Apache project are arguing over some support libraries that
the Apache project would like to see in the next "official" APIs from
Sun along with requirements that re-implementations of these libraries
should not be license-restricted. Of course Sun doesn't like that.
The JBoss group have a J2EE-compatible application engine, but Sun
doesn't want to license the official "J2EE" spec to non-commercial
entities who haven't paid Sun a big bag of money for the little sticker
to put on their boxes.
Two different issues and neither one of them is regarding a
reimplimentation of Java, which, the closest thing you could get would
be the Blackdown Java port which is kind of semi-officially sanctioned
by Sun in that the Blackdown guys have JDK source code and are allowed
to release it as a "Java JDK" as long as it passes the compatibility
test kit, which Sun has, errr, graciously provided
free-of-the-normal-ridiculous-cost to the Blackdown group. Then of
course Sun took the code that Blackdown generated and made some minor
tweaks and released it as the official Sun JDK port without mentioning
Blackdown in the initial press release...
</nit pick>
>
> Plus their Open Source Diva lady hasn't reposponded to /. interview
> questions, and it's been over a month,
Considering the forcible proctological exam they get everytime their name is
mentioned on /., does this suprise you?
> and McNealy's comments about Linux and trailer parks, and many other slings
> and slights.
Unlike Slashdot posters, McNealy at least uses his own name to speak.
> Sun does itself more PR harm than all of us put together can do.
I didn't realize it was our job to do PR harm to Sun. I thought our job was
to advocate for adoption of Open Source Software and to do so in a positive,
professional, and courteous manner by emphasizing its virtues, correcting its
faults and educating prospective new users on the wisdom of using Linux for
their computing tasks.
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