>>BY THE WAY DON"T BITCH THAT YOU PAID CHEAP CHARLIE FOR A COMPLETE
FUNCTIONAL CAR AND DID"T GET ONE.
Perhaps I am misreading your message.... But.... It seems like Charlie GAVE
you a FREE car, and you don't know how to install a stereo in it, and are
complaining to Charlie's friends that Charlie should have put it in for you.
On the surface, it doesn't seem like this approach is a good way to get help
from Charlie's friends.
Is your point that commercial distos need improvement, and easy
installation? I agree. I also see that it has greatly improved.
>> Now consider that one of the big items that business uses is a MySQL
server it can only be viewed as the high of total complete incompetence that
you would deliver a product to your principal client base that is knowling
so defective that it is nonfunctional by the intended user.
Huh? My install of SuSE 9.1 was nearly flawless, including MySQL. I mean,
it was really easy. I've not used SuSE 10, so I don't know about it. But
keep in mind that anyone that is going to use a SQL server had better have
some technical knowledge or he'll build a crap database.
Frank, I'm in agreement that things need improvement, but your message is
coming across as venting your frustration at your inability to get a free
technical product (Debian) from working. People on this list are trying to
help, but its not clear that you are taking their advice. Perhaps I've
misread this.
My suggestion is to go back and re-read Paul's suggested install process.
Follow it to the letter and ask for help with specific issues, with details.
>The objective was to make a small MySQL server of basely a telephone
>directory of clients for our business.
You could simply make an HTML page containing this information and use
Apache to display it. MySQL seems to be overkill for this application.
Another option would be to use SugarCRM or something like it.
Ken Elliott
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Hi Robin
Thanks for the news and update but you may want to consider this from the
prospective of my original post.
Namely if you are a computer techie you don't need a chimerical distribution
and thus are completely unwilling to pay to support one.
If you are a gamer and media type whose only interest is in the content then
you have little interest in which operating system is being used mainly as
it is mostlikely embedded and you don't even see it. The same concept
applies to some very high level products such as controllers for power line
550 KV high voltage switches. As much as I can an I am a old time expert is
this stuff I can not figure out what operation system is being used by
several manufactures and it doesn't matter.
If you are a major corporation you have an IT department who has the ability
to role their own. In fact they may be principal developers in the over all
process. So, you certainly do not expect these people to support sales of
commercial linux.
Thus, who needs the product and has an inability to do it themself?
You may also recall that two, SuSE and Mandrake of the three [add in Red
Hat} major commercial Linux distributions have gone bankrupt in the last two
and that the third has skimmed bankruptcy. This is no accident.
What product mix do these alleged titians of the IT world bring to the
market and at whom is it focused? Basically SuSE focus has been toward
business. Now consider that one of the big items that business uses is a
MySQL server it can only be viewed as the high of total complete
incompetence that you would deliver a product to your principal client base
that is knowling so defective that it is nonfunctional by the intended user.
For the techie types on this list that simply do not get it consider this
this way. Some body offers you a job working a a firm 30 miles away whose
only access to is by car. You have just purchased a car from Cheap Charlies
Used Cars since it is the only one you can afford. Now cheap charlie gives
you all the car but he puts the clutch, yes some of you recall those old
things, pressure plate on the back seat telling you that you will have to
install it yourself. First, you have no tools. Second, you have never
repaired a car especially removing a transmission. So off you go to the old
tech support group where the answer to your questions is that if you are not
techie enough to repair the car then it is just to bad that you can not get
to work. AND!
BY THE WAY DON"T BITCH THAT YOU PAID CHEAP CHARLIE FOR A COMPLETE FUNCTIONAL
CAR AND DID"T GET ONE. [There have been several posting on this list of this
caliber.]
The equation is very simple with commercial Linux. These distributions will
compose and distribute quality products that meed the needs of the people
willing to buy their product or they will go the way of the dodo bird i.e.
bankrupt. Personally I know that if a product does not meet my needs I am
not going to buy it and the product that commercial linux is delivering is
the resolution of all the technical issues that non tackies need resolved in
order operate the system.
For some non tackies that is full hand holding. For others it is the
resolution of dependencies and package types. For others it is writing
special programs.
For those tackies that still just don't get it. There is not one person
including Linus himself that has full and complete knowledge of all aspects
of Linux. That level was a long time ago where one person could know all
aspects of Linux. So the question is not one of individuals not needing help
but how much help does someone need. And, as stated above some need little
or none some need a lot. Commercial linux is the medium in which that help
is provided for with a high degreed of need and a low knowledge of how to.
Frank
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